i’m having troubles at my job. i had told my supervisor perhaps… 6 months ago?, that i had undiagnosed asperger’s syndrome, explained to him that i’ve been attending support groups and trying to find ways to get an official diagnosis, but my insurance won’t pay for it and any private way i can find to get a diagnosis tends to be $800-2000, which i can’t afford. and i brought up other stuff that’s been going on at work, that i’m the one designer placed in an organization with people who, quite frankly, are not designers, and there’s always a dichotomy there… so just problems going on.
anyhow, it’s coming to a boil, or head, or whatever the aphorism/metaphor is, and went for a walk/talk with the hr person from work today, and laid out everything that’s been going on. point 3 of 4 was what i mentioned in the above paragraph, and that when i’d mentioned to my supervisor earlier this year that i had (undiagnosed) asperger’s syndrome, he’d told me that it didn’t matter, pretty much, whether or not i had asperger’s, that even if i did it wouldn’t affect the work situation. which was after i’d told him i had asperger’s and suggested that we talk about ways we could circumvent any communication issues with my coworkers that might result from me having asperger’s.
i’m running on with this. so much going on. but basic jist, hr person told me that, yes, having an official diagnosis was the by-the-books method of getting accommodations…. i then explained to her that i’ve been trying to figure out how to get an official diagnosis, but the costs are too high, and my insurance won’t cover it, but i’ve asked my doctor for referrals, and talked with someone i know who happens to be a social worker and asked her for help, and have attended adult support groups for people with asperger’s… and she told me that if i could, perhaps, get a letter from my doctor, and maybe a letter showing that i’ve been trying to get help, then that could possibly help my case. not sure, it was a precursory discussion, i’ll find the realistic details tomorrow.
anyhow, i emailed the social worker friend, asked her if she could write something up, and this is what she sent me, and she asked for my comments/edits:
To Whom It May Concern:
I am writing to you on behalf of -X-. My name is -Y- and I am a licensed clinical social worker in San Francisco. I have known -X- for a couple of years. I met her through my partner who also has Asperger’s Syndrome. -X- attended several different support groups in San Francisco and the East Bay with my partner for support and to try and create a social network of other people with Asperger’s. However, because one of the most prominent symptoms of Asperger’s is difficulty with creating and maintaining social relationships, her participation in the groups was not sustained. I also believe this was because in many ways -X- was “higher functioning” in some ways, in that she had been able to maintain stable employment for some time, and this was not the general experience of the group members in the various support groups.
As -X-’s friend I have also been aware of the difficulties she had been having at her current workplace. It can be intimidating for people to reveal that they have Asperger’s because employers and co-workers generally don’t understand what it is, or hear that it is on the Autistic spectrum and form unfavorable opinions. People with Asperger’s in the workplace are often ostracized because they are unable to meet the overt or unspoken social expectations there. People with Asperger’s often have overwhelming sensory experiences, and need accommodation, for example, to have dimmer lights, wear headphones so background noise is diminished and have a workplace setup that is more private.
Because most of the services for people with Asperger’s, at least in the Bay Area, are for children with this diagnosis, it can be difficult if not impossible to receive assistance, advocacy and support as an adult. The diagnosis was “legitimized” in 1994 by its entry into the DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), however, as you may know, it has just, in the last couple of years, been talked about in the media and information has become more widespread. Accordingly, adults with Asperger’s have often been misdiagnosed for years and have had great difficulty with either understanding themselves “what is wrong” or don’t have guidance about how to talk to employers about the accommodations they need. Indeed, people with Asperger’s often attempt to “fit in” as best they can to do the job they were hired to do and often this ends in workplace problems and/or dismissal.
Since -X- began working for -organization-, she has asked me for advice on where and how to obtain an “official” diagnosis, how to obtain assistance regarding workplace accommodation and referrals for psychiatric services. As I mentioned above, most of the resources that I found were for children on the Autistic spectrum. The referrals that both -X- and I tried to access were either unable to help adults or cost-prohibitive. There truly seems to be nowhere to turn for advice about how she can obtain a diagnosis without having to pay a lot of money out-of-pocket or how to find an advocate for her workplace difficulties. As -X- ’s friend and as the partner of someone with similar struggles, I sincerely hope she will be able to get the accommodation she needs to continue her employment.
i read that, and i started crying, right here in this bar i’m sitting at, having left work early to get away from all the job problems i’m experiencing there. also, the person who wrote what you just read above completely rocks in so many ways. this is one of the most succinct, well-communicated ways about the difficulties a person with asperger’s has in the workplace i’ve read in quite a while.



I really feel for you. I’m just entering the full-time workforce, and it’s overwhelming trying to figure out who to tell what when.
I’ve been told, too, that making accomodations for people with ASDs is just as daunting for neurotypicals. It might help to make a list of measurable, specific things that your supervisor/coworkers can do (turning off nearby fluorescent lights, for instance, or letting you wear noise-cancelling headphones, as your friend mentioned in the letter).
If it’s any comfort, there are companies that do help undiagnosed people. When someone I know realized she reacted badly to fluorescent lights, she got the lights above her cubicle turned off in favor of incandescent floor & table lights. She was diagnosed with lupus not too long afterward. And this was years before the ADA came into existence.
And might I just say AMEN to the fact that nearly every form of support out there is for autistic children? Are we supposed to stop existing at 18 and I just didn’t get the memo?
Wow. I am very glad your friend was able to be so very articulate in her explanation. Good luck with the accommodations. I’ve tangled with this issue myself and not been successful yet, even with an official dx–but it sounds like you are going to be.
I hadn’t realized that wearing headphones in the workplace was considered an accommodation you could ask for… hmm…
I’m still not seeing in the letter from the social worker where she actually diagnosis him/her.
It’s tough to if you cannot afford to see a specialist i order to get the official diagnosis.
Your insurance won’t cover a visit to a Psychologist, you have no mental health benefits at all? I’ve had some crap insurance in my life but I’ve never had one what did not have even a minimal mental health benefit. If you have insurance and your in the states. You have to have at least 5 days thats put aside for Detox. 99% of detoxes are Psychiatric units … it’s a thought.
afraid i have no advice for you here…
unrelated subject, came across this recently, thought you may be interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_language
actually, i agree with speakingaut. i would lay out what accommodations you need in the workplace without referring to the medical issue… which is unsolvable at this point. just state what you need item by item as matters of personal preference, in terms of “developing a comfortable working environment” and “ways they can help you be happier and more productive.” many of the social problems you have are probably going to exist at any workplace, i would guess, i’m not sure to what extent a diagnosis would alleviate the “micro-social” situation.
I would like to speak with you about the difficulties you’ve been having. I’ve been making several inquiries on the east coast with similar results. I run a site for AS, and have authored one book on the subject. I am putting together a manual for employers of aspies and would appreciate hearing your experiences.
Theres an Aspergers support group at the San Francisco library. I believe they have a group on meetup.com
My 76 year old father-in-law has undiagnosed Asperger’s. He lived with my husband, my daughters, and me for six years, and it was hellish. It took about three years for me to realize that he had Asperger’s, and then the next three to figure out ways to deal with his ideosynchrasies. As you said, there is a monstrous lack of information out there that deals with ADULTS with Asperger’s; I read everything I could about it in general, and took what I could from it that applied to adults, too. I feel for you, friend.
What I did learn, in trying to come up with ways to make living with him easier on our family, is that we had to be extremely specific about what we were thinking. For instance, we could not just say that he could not spend eight hours at a whack at the kitchen table because all he would do when we said that was to move to the counter and stay there for eight hours. What we really needed to say was that his being there non-stop was perceived by us as having him “up our butts” all the time. He needed to not be our shadows all the time, and to find more appropriate things to do and places to be.
We needed to help to explain him, if you will, as well. For instance, he was still working full time as a professor. While he thrived in the classroom because it was a lecture only type of course (no back and forth between professor and students), he could not manage to go to staff meetings where he would be expected to converse with his colleagues. It was just too unmanageable for him. After speaking to his supervisor, he was exempt from having to attend those meetings. He cannot handle loud or unexpected noises, and would literally put his hands over his ears and grimace as if in intense pain when a loud noise happened. His supervisor was alerted to this issue, and they did what they could at the college to help. They would tell him ahead of time if they were scheduling a fire drill; his tech. would adjust the volume of the microphone he used; they even made sure NOT to schedule a party for him when he recently retired because they knew he’d be miserable.
There are a host of other issues that I could go on and on about, but my point is that I sympathize with you because you are so right about the lack of help for adults. I think that in your shoes, I might pursue the documentation of SYMPTOMS maybe, rather than the diagnosis itself. For instance, you likely have some sensory integration dysfunction issues, and often that is covered by insurance. The testing is probably four hours, and they come up with a great plan for how to address each out of range issue that the test finds. (My daughter had SID, so I know this.) The addressing of the issues is really what you want, anyway, so call your insurance and see if this is covered. SID is not a mental health issue, but a neurological one like dyslexia. You cannot “cure” it, but you can find ways to have it not be a problem in your life.
I wish you lots of luck!
I think that it is really important to come up with a strategy for disclosure at work. In my experience (I’m a career coach who specializes in working with people who have Aspeger’s and NLD), it is best to tell the employer what kind of accommodation you believe that you need.
Even though Asperger’s has received growing media attention, most human resources people and hiring managers really have no idea what it is or how to assist someone at work. So if you can briefly describe how it affects your ability to perform the job and what would mitigate the problems, there is a better chance of success.
There is a free guide, available on my Web site, about disclosing Aspeger’s and NLD at work; if anyone is interested go to ForwardMotion.info.
Barbara
Just had a very bad day at work with a work colleague having worked in the Disability Arts Field I know that this person (lets call him Jay) is on the autistic spectrum My problem is that I’m dyslexic and find certain tasks difficult such as submitting long and detailed technical notes – he does not.
Lacking empathy he occasionally falls foul of the public because he is not great at reading people so he gets occasionally very angry indeed. Two days ago I asked our manager to give him a break and allow him some time to help me. My manager refused. Today Jay picked up a minor error of mine -condemed me then marched off to our floor manager to tell him of my error. He then repeated my error with glee to my manager. I asked him had he done his when he replied that as the procedure wasn’t done right and that’s why he informed on me.
I told him that I had accepted what he said
*before* this and that we had settled the issue
and that I hoped to learn what I should have done from him. A blankness then came over him as he clearly could not see what damage he had done to our relationship which is a positive one. When I tried to say very carefully that he should not have done what he did – he simply ignored me and looked back at his VDU.
When I went back to my manager to discuss getting some tuition form jay as a compromise – he refused to speak to me.
What should I do?
carry on regardless?
Brandon
(we have a positive relationship)
It was really nice of your friend to write up that letter for you and it does say a lot.
I would bet you though, that it will not fly with a boss or co-worker. The reason being it is too long and rambling. It needs cutting down quite a lot. For example she should not qualify time, as in ” I have known -X- for a couple of years. I met her through my partner who also has Asperger’s Syndrome. ” The two missteps I see here are qualifying time and even bother with how she met you. They don’t care. People will not read anything very long. They have the attention span of a gnat. It might be better to say ” I am Mrs. so and so a social worker in San Francisco’
I attend (or direct )period. Well, just a suggestion so sorry if I butted in. I just can’t help editing things. lol. sorry
gosh darn, let me fix that…
I attend a variety of asperger’s groups in the hope’s of finding ways people with this condition can interact at work on a more favorable and comfortable level for everyone. As well as find social networking situations that blah blah.
Forgot you can’t read my mind.
Aside from what you are doing already, have you looked into discrimination on the job???? God, knows the government covers every type of discrimination for man or beast so there should be something that covers aspie.
Good Luck
The truth is, an employer doesn’t really give a crap.
I just got fired from the most lefty, liberal job on the planet due to coworker complaints of my being “curt” “abrupt” and “rude”.
I actually thought I got along with my coworkers pretty well, haha. My supervisor wept over my firing. Literally.
My performance reviews for the last two years have been glowing. But always the same complaint: Too blunt, perceived as rude by coworkers. Too pedantic.
I hate that I made some coworkers feel bad. There were certain times I felt I had no choice but to speak up (human services field). I wish I had been better able to negotiate how to do that in a more effective tactful way.
My employer knew informally that I have Aspergers but I insisted it was a private matter not related to my employment. (It had come up relative to my annoying propensity for interruption.)
I have shied away from any work related official disclosure because the idea of being labeled with a “syndrome” is anathema to me. It is what it is.
And what it is right now, is a lifetime of employment failure marked by “performs exceptionally” evaluations. *sigh*
Maybe the next generation will have it easier…
aspiebutch, do you live, perchance, anywhere in the sf bay area?
I just found your blog. Hey, I don’t know if you’ve been able to find any help, but I can tell you I have a very good friend with Aspergers (and I have a very high operating version of it, too, we suspect) who was harassed and almost let go from her job at Victoria’s Secret.
What changed her trouble in the workplace was that she got diagnosed with it by the state of SC, and because of her diagnosis, she was assigned a case worker, and then the entire store had to be informed of her quirks. Basically, it was like, “Stop being a bunch of douchenozzles or she can sue the shit out of you for discrimination.”
The end result was that she was actually accepted more, and she was able to make her own decision as to whether or not to quit without harassment.
I hope you are doing well.